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their course and this make any sense is like china saying the gulf of mexico is an area of national interest to china so i think these types of. militarist statements. encourage china to build up its military and so the americans sensibly may be trying to start another arms race. and you can log on to our website r.t. dot com for the latest news and videos any time you like and the here's just some of what's just a click away today hackers deal a devastating blow to the world's second largest stock exchange from taking out its web site with an online lockout. and how close might the world have come to another chernobyl style disaster we reveal fresh claims over fire. this hour that more r.t. dot com. turkey
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has no plans to consider alternative oil suppliers and will continue to import fuel from iran and spot the countries nato membership and anchor officials have firmly disapproved of calls for a strike against iran and are reluctant to go along with what iran sees as western economic bullying well jihan news agency chief i don't have it but it says anti iran hysteria harms the entire region. it will be a very important headache for turkey because turkey is part of nato and because of that turkey has certain responsibilities but iran is very important neighbor that two countries iran and turkey did not have war for centuries it's very difficult to get a settlement get
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a solution by attacking iran which is more than eighty million population big country but as far as i know the current israeli government are not helping to find. a. peaceful. diplomatic solution to the crisis. in terms of internal political interests i hope i see that unfortunately it helps and tension helps and for the world it is the sponsibility to be seen and to push really diplomatic means as far as possible in order to get rid of the possibility that we have another who are in the middle east which would be detrimental for all of us. meanwhile israel won't stop pointing the finger of blame at iran says
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recent explosions in bangkok tentacle two previous terror attacks in india georgia israel's ambassador tonnages claim that bombs discovered in the thai capital are similar to those used in the earlier bombings tehran denies any links to the incident try authorities have reportedly charged two iranian suspects who were arrested shortly after the blast a series of explosions hit bangkok on tuesday but nobody was killed because the attacks were carried out as planned. but it is in romania have had to be rescued by emergency services after the snow fall trapped inside their own rooms the country's winter death toll has now reached seventy nine to thirty two using helicopters noms trucks to deliver food and medicine since the end of january hundreds have died across eastern europe tens of thousands will spend a record snow levels that moved over in albania badly affected.
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water cannons and tear gas i think that you conscripts knowledge and capital protesting for recognition this rule veterans regular soldiers who fought in the falklands conflict in one thousand nine hundred ten aren't title to pensions. demonstrators say they should have the same rights despite never being deployed to the audience twenty four people were detained and several injured coming up in ten minutes time on a cross talk program people of l. looks at the ongoing dispute on the legal status of those founders around the falkland islands in the area. under its sovereign control then we know where the oil belongs but the sort of back and forth between origin. and the following continues to dominate. the only the only colonial of this whole debate is the fact that argentina want to colonize three thousand
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british subjects and i think that's a bit simplistic alex you want to record i heard david cameron too but i know it's something i know what you want us let us know. as the three thousand people who live on the falkland islands and they will want to remain british. but marina is head now the latest from of this world. hello and welcome to business here on r.t. now the bailout for crisis stricken greece is once again and question and meeting of finance chiefs to discuss a second multibillion bailout has been called off and that's after athens failed to provide critical details about planned spending cuts these include an austerity plan to save an extra three hundred twenty five million euros something that inflamed greece with violent protests over the weekend if the greek cabinet figures
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out where to squeeze money from brussels would then be able to issue the new bailout cash it would amount to around one hundred thirty billion euros on top of one hundred ten billion euros grants of two years ago and same with the euro zone china has promised to invest in europe's bailout funds and keep some of its reserves in euros that's china might help stabilize the economy of its largest export market amid the global slowdown the morgan stanley capital and that's for asia pacific jumped more than one percent on the news and that was the biggest gain in the month. gas promise close to finalizing its long run in talks on gas supplies to china the head of the firm's export branch hopes to strike a deal in the new future and the other parties are struggling to agree on construction of a new pipeline to pump energy from russia siberia to asia but i like somebody to believe china will finally come to terms with russia. actually we.
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just need to feel that. one parameter which will. construction projects and projects in the russian and chinese side could make their job in china given that i was assured of that these arguments will be taken into account we believe that. correction of those politician cause changes price should be the same level like if you would have been separated. all right let's take a look at the markets now let's start with the exchange rates the euro is gaining a bit against the dollar after seeing some losses on choose that and the ruble is higher against both the european and the u.s. currencies following gains on the russian markets now let's move on to the oil crude is rising after european leaders pushed greece for stronger commitments to an austerity package in return for a cycle of bailout as we mentioned and easing concerns over the region's debt crisis which maker of demand for oil so higher now light sweet this could be
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trading at around one hundred and one and a half dollars per barrel while the blood is just over one hundred eighteen dollars over the asian markets are still picking up steam as surprise monetary easing budget and central bank make the dollar extended surge against the again that weaker japanese currency sent exporters higher carmakers to yoda and honda both adding over three percent and over in hong kong games are led by property stocks are abounding strongly from losses at the start of the week. and here in russia it's now one hour into trading and the markets are still a positive territory boy they are ts and the my stocks are adding over one percent so let's take a look at the index movers on the my sides you can see that most of the blue chips are higher the sour inspire bank is no exception it is expected to finalize a deal to buy eastern european international later in the day and oil majors are on the rise supported by stronger crude of course with blue color point seven percent
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and truck maker come august is extending previous gains after an unexpected thirteen percent jump on choose they. go from highlight some of the sectors and stocks his company favors. to resemble. the. we also like you to. thank in the. names of them pretty really well in the past two weeks. could preview to its name. and in other news mergers and acquisitions in russia jumped twenty two percent in two thousand and eleven compared to the year before the total value of deals reach seventy six billion dollars with the growth in volumes twice as fast as the global average chemical production was the top sector in terms of deal volume energy and
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financial sectors came in second and third respectively. and that's how business looks the sound will be back in about fifty five minutes with more financial news in the mean for the headlines with carrie. fisher is the same us shark try to go longer than most of us were to take your pick the ones that are now being written in argentina are against barring the legal status of future these islands is this dispute it.
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brightened. about from months to impression. for instance on t.v. dot com. welcome back let's have a look at the headlines now rallies to mark the anniversary of a pro-democracy uprising in bahrain a put down of tactics and weapons from the u.k. bucking claims of western governments hypocrisy of the different revolts in the region. one sided reports from syria blaming only the regime for atrocities seen by some as an attempt to hide the truth of the conflict by sweeping rebel crimes on the carpet. and sizing up the rivals u.s. leaders could join china's visiting vice president and leader in waiting she
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jinping today sions wife for the upper hand in the turbulent relationship. but let's start debate show cross talk today people about his guests discuss the strange relations between argentina and britain over the falkland audience. any. blow in welcome to crossfire time people about take your pick the falkland islands or the melvina britain and argentina are again sparring over the legal status and future of these islands is this dispute about self-determination and sovereignty or one of the last vestiges of british imperialism. still. to cross not the endless dispute over these islands i'm joined by my guest in washington larry burns he is the director of the council on hemispheric affairs
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alex gibson he's a fulbright scholar specializing in contemporary argentinean politics and a research associate at the council on hemispheric affairs and luke coffey he's a fellow in the margaret thatcher center for freedom at heritage all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want larry i want to go to you first here over the last few weeks and months we've seen a ratcheting up of tensions between britain and argentina over these islands the islands that these two countries fought a war over thirty years ago what's in play here what what we should be worried about the tensions here or is this something of a function of domestic politics in both countries. well probably a combination of all of those things i think that the the real danger that lies at the bottom of this whole issue is is it accident or some kind of unplanned development that may deteriorate into. a shooting conflict
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but the both the auction time military and the british military are really in no shape to. fight a war that's thousands of miles separating the disputants and oh so. far and that much the motivation behind this conflict is there to ration of domestic conditions in argentina which was the same explanation for why the war in one thousand nine hundred two broke out that is the military which ruled the country in argentina at the time was. gauging and corruption and deep of funds and the government needed some kind of great patriotic issue to. pull the nation together roughly speaking the same sort of thing is happening now and i think that is part of the explanation for what we're now seeing ok if i
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go to look i think it's very interesting here in britain most people don't really care much about the what they call the falkland islands and i mean of course that there was there was patriotic on the side of the the brits thirty years ago but it's not really a big issue and people aren't sitting in pubs talking about these islands but they are in argentina is that isn't that kind of a risk too and it seems odd if it people in britain don't care about it why does the british government care so much about it well i would have to say that your average person on the streets in great britain don't care much about the issues surrounding the falkland islands and tell it's made in this year by the argentinians. we saw that the front page of the sun newspaper today in britain had sean penn's remark. during his recent visit in the falklands so i think i think you're absolutely right about the political classes care a great bit about the falkland islands and britain sovereignty over those islands and i think the reason is because no british government could ever survive losing
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the falkland islands ok alex that's rather peculiar too because i mean there's so much as it riskier i mean britain and argentina these are important countries and they should have good relations why is it isn't it with their risk for the british to put so much into this bad relationship over what three thousand people whose claim of self-determination is a bit dubious at best. if i can just quickly respond to mr burns point first and then get to luke and yourself we should be careful first about drawing parallels between the ninety two situation between argentina and britain and what we see today because as mr resolute two one thing that should ring very clear here is that no one's going to war in both countries know this so what's what's really really important question to get at here is what are the underlying motives why are we talking about this now rather than just the fact that it's the thirtieth anniversary of the conflict getting to this point about about the importance of the
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falklands to britain and well let me and let me add on that a bit to argentina i think the question of survival is a bit extreme i think anyone would acknowledge that and britain would be absolutely fine with out without the falklands under their sovereign control but what would pose an even greater problem is the is if argentina were to continue on the track with this relationship with the falklands now what i mean is without some sort of sovereignty or at the very least nick sovereignty very basic things like trade agreements between the falklands in argentina is just the effect of their geographical location is going to make it difficult to sustain a puzzle relationship not just for argentina but for those cultures which are what the falkland islanders are called one final point here and quickly also. the main thing to remember about all of this is. this this isn't an issue that's going on like i said before is going escalating into conflict it's
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a political issue but it's also something that's at the core of argentine identity these these islands have been under argentina's claim since before its independence this is not just something that came off as a whim argentina believe that these islands belong to them and has felt that for over a century so i think we have to look at the deeper issues underlying this rather than just the politically agree if we're going to larry i mean there's a need for the mother. ok ok look but for many in south america this is just a colonial and you two it's a colonial issue for a lot of people in south america right go ahead well well yeah. and so far as the argentinians would like to call it is the three thousand british citizens and her majesty's subjects currently living peacefully in these islands that want to go back to a point alex smith i think you misunderstood me slightly when i was saying that the issue about survival is not the great britain as a nation can survive with the loss of the falkland islands i was saying that the government of the day would fall if the falkland islands were ever taken now i do
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agree with you know there is not going to be a military there's not going to be military answer to this this is going to be resolved peacefully in the end i firmly believe ok look if i can stay with you it's been thirty years so why hasn't it been resolved and it looks like nobody on either side wants to resolve it well as far as the british government is concerned the situation is resolved they've made very clear that. it's a matter of self-determination is clearly a line in the un charter and that is so long as the people of the falkland islands want to remain british they shall remain british and this is a very simple the simple fact that people of the falklands want to be british ok i don't want to be arguing and i don't think it is that simple go to larry here i mean this is not an indigenous people to these islands are they and this is what the argentine position is ok what is how strong is their claim to self-determination if they're not indigenous to the island and as
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a matter of fact i mean i read somewhere was that only forty percent of the population there is lived there for ten years what kind of self-determination is that. well trace of paternity of a lot of countries a lot of civilizations you may find kind of a murky antecedents but the interesting thing is of course the british had no difficulty in liquidating a vast empire its empire today consists of christian to. other falklands bermuda and a couple of other islands here and there so this is not exactly a country that's dedicated to colonialism or can you find an explanation of why this is happening in such a simplistic explanation as colonialism i think really what it is is that. in both countries the issue has become wrapped in symbolism and there also is another issue here and that is what really brought argentina into
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the falkland war in one nine hundred eighty two and why is it posturing again right now i think the beginning of a discussion is we don't really know all the facts of the matter for example i would like to know why in general vernon walters was in the argentine military club when the issue is being of invading the falklands was discussed the being discussed and everyone turned to general walters who is raked president reagan's emissary from the united states and he simply shrugged this was taken interpreted by the argentine military as an incentive to at the auction counter were about to do and we also had ambassador jean kirkpatrick that evening the evening of the invasion was at the auction con embassy in washington she knew the invasion was
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going to take place why was she there. i think that the argentine government has a point. body called the running back commission which is looking into these matters but this war this conflict this issue has an extraordinary potential for being explosive not because of richard herring important but because of the emotionality you catch the issue on both sides ok alex what about the issue of self-determination i mean how strong do you think the case is for the people who live on the island for self-determination well i think. argentina has a very long history of angle argentine relations and not just that but english heritage within argentina there's no reason why the islanders the people who live on the island can't live peacefully independently within the society of argentina i mean if you look at argentina today is how to go new and also it's there give me
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about well because that they want to be british subjects ok well look you bring up a good point why you want to be british such as it can be why can't they just be british subjects within the sovereignty of argentina. what's wrong with that well they were under the cyber control of argentina they would be british subjects. like it's very clear that some determination is based around the idea that these people living in the falkland islands today a want to be british now this argument that they're not indigenous population well there's never been an indigenous population on the falkland islands ever in fact the closest thing we have to an indigenous population is what we have there today you're correct in saying that you know roughly forty percent of these people may have lived in the falklands for less than ten years i'm not sure those facts but this sounds about right but i mean sixty person have lived there longer and some of them have been there for generations so quite clearly this is a matter of self-determination for the people of the falkland islands wanting to
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remain british now large and tina needs to do is if they if they think they have a solution to this problem they need to say what they would do with the three thousand people living on these islands who wish to remain british if these islands were to go back on or go back into argentine control all right let me jump in guys we're going to go to a break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion of the future of the south atlantic island state party. resistance is not a politics but a culture. is could stand. on its own.
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see. the full. welcome back across the uk i'm peter all about to mind you we're talking about what the british call default when i. mean you can say. ok alex and i we were talking about the issue of self-determination and and researching this program here i'm going to i'm not an international lawyer but you know it it seems like the they are sometimes have a pretty strong case for the sovereignty over the falkland islands i mean in many many ways and it was that they were themselves a colony of the spanish so i mean you know it is this this is not helping either side because either side is very rigid on that but they do have still a very strong case. yes i believe they do and i want to make it clear i'm not a nut rallying for the falkland cause either i like to look at this of the
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perspective of a journalist but i'd be very happy to outline the arguments in argentina's favor and i think the biggest one just to respond to what luke was saying a moment ago the three thousand islanders that want to become british we should certainly respect that we should hear them and respect their their desires but also recognise the basic facts twelve million argentines to three thousand people who live on a colonial vest each is not exactly equal in terms of of what they're both of the weight of both causes what we have right now is a falkland fortress and the question is do we want to continue that you can you know cameron can keep sending out as many elite destroyers as he like but it seems a bit counterproductive and what we should really be looking at here again are the velvety of argentina's claims which as you alluded to go far back both historically and also the importance of the geographic claims the resources surrounding the falkland ok i want to i want to get to the one i want to get to the royal issue
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which i want to tell you i should a second you can jump in go ahead. city firstly that they don't want to become british that they are british in terms of the the history of who is had control of the falkland islands you made the point that the the spanish had the falkland islands or anything or control but the last spanish settlement actually left an eighteen eleven and i believe that the argentine declared independence from the spanish in eight hundred sixteen so at the time of this the argentine declared independence from spain no one had defacto control over the falklands and it wasn't till eight hundred thirty three with a major british settlement that really became permanent around eight hundred thirty eight that the falkland islands were actually settled by anyone and this argument about a geographical location is holds no water at all because look at canary islands for example then morocco would have a claim over the.


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